President Donald Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, has raised eyebrows by claiming that "truth isn't truth" during a television interview.
Mr Giuliani was arguing that Mr Trump should not testify to the Russia probe, as he might be "trapped into perjury".
"Truth is Truth"' NBC host Chuck Todd countered. Mr Giuliani denied this was the case, and said two rival versions of events were in contention.
His reply seemed to echo controversial claims from Trump aides about facts.
In January last year Kellyanne Conway told Todd's programme, Meet the Press, that the White House was entitled to present "alternative facts" - to which Todd retorted: "Alternative facts are not facts. They're falsehoods."
The exchange on Meet the Press on Sunday began with Mr Todd asking Mr Giuliani whether the Trump team was stalling about a possible testimony at the inquiry led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller into alleged meddling by Russia in the 2016 US election.
Mr Giuliani said: "I'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so can he can be trapped into perjury."
He added: "When you tell me that he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth. Not the truth."
Todd responded: "Truth is truth." Mr Giuliani said: "Truth isn't truth."
The interviewer put his hand on his forehead and said: "This is going to become a bad meme!"
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